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HC quashes UP govt order related to SC,ST quota in promotions
In a setback to Uttar Pradesh government, the Lucknow bench of Allahabad High Court on Tuesday quashed its order providing reservation in promotions to state employees belonging to scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.
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Vaibhav Wasnik indeed. the desires of 85 percent of the country, which finds itself as a voice that favors reservations, is panned down by the judiciary. isnt the constitution actually present to facilitate the voice of the people in to policy and if so why is the judiciary not in line with this thought. may be ambedkar did substitute manu, but the implementers are still manuwadi.
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Dude u r right in saying the control is still in hands of upper caste , but it will always remain so because of their historical inheritance and their dominant numbers and share in every institution.
for reservations, i think it will be in ...benefit for SC/STs in the long run, not to give them this. because the fight and struggle they will then have do, will only make them emerge stronger and confident in public places.
and this is the demand of time too.
in todays free market capitalist globalised and increasing antipluralist and (schizophrenia inducing :P) society, in hostels , in night clubs , in cricket grounds, in pubs , in dance stages, in auditoriums ...... if they want to enjoy their life and time and continue to feel at home in this world, the fight in a level field is the best way to empower them.
in India, one doesn't need much than a few cheap books and a motivation to excel in life. reservations deprive them from developing those various skills which their upper caste friends gradually develop by their own.
i have seen many SC/ST student who were bright and meritorious only until they passed a competitive exams by aid of reservation and went on in a collapse thereafter. their less studious pals , of their schoolmates went on to do better than them. what advantage they got from reservation except the lose and stigma of having got reservation- which make their public life hell.
reservations are just political issues. wars are being faught for them
as if these were a magic stick by which could prosper them in life and get happiness thereafter.
you may counter my thesis. by think deep down your heart, and you will not counter-argue.See More
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I hate facebook that it doesnt store all the wall debates. I would have just copied and pasted a previous post on a similar topic.
Well about yoru comment "Dude u r right in saying the control is still in hands of upper caste , but it will a...lways remain so because of their historical inheritance and their dominant numbers and share in every institution." That is what reservations are supposed to change. Only thing is that the supreme court which is supposed to make the constitution tune up in line with the will of the people, just manipulates the wordings in the document to apply an upper limit of 50 percent on reservations. That too when these reservations benefit 85 percent of the country's population. But then the courts are dominated by uppercastes so what can be expected.
Your comment on equal competition in a free market, somehow does not look at what even determines competition. Right from entry in to professinoal colleges, where manufactured intelligence from coaching centres really rule the roster. Have you ever questioned as to how many dalits even are present in these coaching centres, so that an equiproportional candidates make it in to professional colleges. And somehow in all this merit talk, the talk about privately owned donation based colleges are never even mentioned, when the number of seats in these colleges is far more than reserved seats in government colleges. Also the only marks that matter are the marks of money in your wallet, for admission in to these colleges.
Next when you go up the ladder. Jobs in the private sector are all about contacts. I don't have to write a big essay to tell you, why websites such as linkedin are the sugar among corporate professionals. Saying that jobs in the private sector are really about open competition is not really understanding the mechanics of hiring in these sectors.
Also, when did the CEO's of the top corporate institutions like Reliance, Tata's etc had to compete in an open competition to get their respective jobs. The only competition they had to succumb to was the proof that they were the blood heirs of their fathers companies, irrespective of their professional qualifications. It is suprising when these same corporations talk against reservations for jobs quite down the ladder in their companies.
You comment that reserved students generally underperform. I ask you why dont the counter-candidates I talked about above ever underpeform. I had written something quite some time ago, and forwarded that to my sc/st batchmates from IIT mumbai, most of whom are at really good positions in the private establishments today. Its a different story that they have become brahminic themselves now.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48448266/Merit
Also you have to realize that in the history of india, reservations were first utilized by the uppercastes during the british times, when cuttoff's had to be reduced by the british government as uppercastes indian could qualify to the civil services exams
http://www.chandrabhanprasad.com/frmHistoricalDocuments.aspx
Uppercastes wanted independence from british then. I dont even think dalits are asking something similar.
To close, the issue really is about capturing power in the economic sectors of the country. The problem about under performance of sc/sts is because of psychological harrasment faced by them in the educational institutions, rather than talents. Statements about open competitions are really about not thinking the issue clearly, because lot of intelligence that gets tested is really manufactured intelligence, which is more about nurture at home and expensive tutions, which the dalits are not even close to having a substantial amount of.See More
Also a few more points. in the private sector experience gets u paid more. But what are the chances of anyone even remembering what they did 2-3 years back.
Finally, jobs in almost most sectors are about repetitious learning. A guy from res...ervations or a general category in a year or 2 would be performing the same amount in useful output, because of human brains capability towards learning from repetitions. The questions against reservations and efficiency just become trivial after digesting this simple fact.See More
why insane dude. can't believe that an educated guy like you is just coming up with an emotional outburst instead of some logical reasoning. If electricity and water do happen to be extremely limited resources, there is a possibility that i...t might end up taking the quota route. I mean, in some sense this would not even go against the way waters of rivers are splits during international treaties.
PS I would have plainly deleted your comment, because of the politically incorrect way in which you used the word "untouchable" law. A guy educated from a university that is deemed the harvard of india, goes about making disparaging casteist remarks on a public forum, just goes to show how much inherent biases does exist even among educated uppercaste indians.
I am just curious as to how my american or other non-indian friends would feel if some harvard educated individual unabashedly used the word "nigger law", to describe affirmative actions in the US.See More
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What I feel is the solution is to invest in renewable energy and innovations like rain water harvesting rather than creating division on name of cast. This is simply politics. The same govt that instigates us on name of cast has no vision ...of how they are going to solve problem of electricity and water. That is why when it will come to votes they will create more division because they simply did not move their asses to innovate. And on top of it they will invite US scientists to build some nuclear power plants having taken a handsome bribe when the whole world is moving towards something new. And on top of it, to run those insanely stupid nuclear plants they will again put reservation. Divide more!See More
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Acutally the word untouchable i used for the so called higher caste. It was a pun on this whole belief that we are divided and that some stupid politicians can divide us on the name of cast. Reservation and caste system is old school. We ne...ed to bring an atmosphere of collaboration, education and innovation. For that we don't need to look at caste. I think younger generation should be united on this. It is still the older generation than ours who are creating this division. We need to create resources from our own sweat and intelligence.See More
Dude, I would just like to add. The only thing wrong with reservations that I could not really argue against is that they deprive an uppercaste guy of a seat. On an individual level it does seem wrong. But the govt does not act in isolation.... The govt goes about implementing reservation, because that is what 85 percent of the country made up of sc/st/obc communities want. That is why even though the leaders of major political parties are from uppercastes (like arjun singh), they have to make sure that they stand up for reservations.
Hell, I am even for more radical cures. How about the government instead start giving out government supplier contracts to sc/st's, so that these communities build up capital and start following the line of entrepreneurship. This is because, the economics of the country is going along capitalism, whereas the mindset of the sc/st population has not even caught up to the appropriate possibilities.See More
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People like Arjun Singh are corrupt. I dont even care what cast he is. He is a corrupt man. If he would have gone and done education reforms, created better education policies, focussed on primary education, strengthened our villages and sm...all towns that would have helped. He should have built more education avenues for 85% population. He should have created competence. He had alll the resources. He choose reservation. Corrupt politics.
Education is the key. The government should focus on education. Govt supplier contracts to sc /st means what. There is a contractor who is already in a contracting business. This guy can compete. He has resources. He is arlready doing well. So create avenue for him. It is fallible. It solves nothing. We are talking about people who do not have resources. We need to bring those people up.See More
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Vaibhav Wasnik Something similar on a national scale
http://www.indiatogether.org/dalit/events/bhopal.htm
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a small example. shoe making has been a traditional dalit occupation, but the guy that own bata is not a dalit. The contracts of shoes to the indian army itself is around 1 billion rupees. The base skills and ideas may be present, but the oppurtunities to capitalize on these skills are lacking. In these regards the govt can come in to play.
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Today shoe market is huge... I am pretty sure Bata did not get the govt contract on day one of his starting the business ... And will he have monopoly always .. No. If proper microfinancing is provided by the govt to the dalit shoe makers, ...through a cooperative or some set up, they can compete in the market. That itself is huge today. They can bid for govt contracts. I am of course assuming non-corrupt political system. But that is where the problem is - corruption. It is not in not having enough opportunities. It never was the case of lack of resource and opportunities as much as of corruption.See More
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Apart from depriving upper caste guys, reservations also promote a sucker attitude: everyone feels they should prove that they are victims of something so that they can also be entitled to freebies.
Besides, crony-capitalism and the govt's l...icense permit raj create artificial shortages of good education, etc., making reservations hurt all the more.See More
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if everyone has a reason to ask for freebies then reservations would become trivial dont u think. The fact is that only uppercastes as a community have the reins of economic power and this just produces a self feeding effect, unless govern...ment steps in to redistribute oppurtuities.
Also in the history of india, reservations were first introduced to help uppercastes qualify to civil services exams during the british rule. Please check out the documents on the link below. If equality of oppurtunity really translated in to a demand for independence from the british, why caricature the lowercastes as the bad guys, when they are not even asking for independence.
http://www.chandrabhanprasad.com/frmHistoricalDocuments.aspx
Also the reason I say that the issue is really not about merit, but about the fear of uppercastes losing their hold over the country, because donation based seats, which outnumber reserved seats in magnitude and have much less of cut offs, dont catch the ire of the press or uppercastes.See More
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just look at the gujjars and so many other classes in india, each insisting that they need to be classified as backward to get freebies, and rioting and killing people so they have their way. Donation based seats are usually of a much poore...r quality than the seats that are "reserved away". So they don't count.
It is "crony capitalism"/license permit raj/red tape that concentrates the reins of economic power in the hands of a few people - so that is the root problem that has to be attacked. Reservations are a treatment for the symptom at best, and vote bank politics at worst.See More
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Also I am not sure about the statements claiming that reservations hurt. Because without reservations or policies along that line, development would be centred only around the uppercastes, with crumbs falling in to the hands of the majority... of the population. That would in essence constitute slavery. I mean one of the definitions of slavery that come up on http://www.thefreedictionary.com/slavery
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"slavery [ˈsleɪvərɪ]
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1. (Law) the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune."
replace person with group and that is the condition you have in india.
Also, from a pure capitalistic perspective, reservations have been more beneficial, because compared to uppercastes who just invest most of their wealth in to stationary assets such as jwellery, savings etc, on an average whatever a lowercaste guy spends what he earns, be it television, motorcycles etc, or spending on getting his close relative set up a small buisness etc. The money earned immediately keeps flowing in to the economy, stimulating the demand side more strongly. You have to realize that lowecastes as a market are completely unexploited and the fact that caste as a structure really is more cross connected of any other defintions applied to indian society make it as a natural choice when tapping in to the unexploited market power of india goes. Hiring from disadvantaged castes would lead to stronger demand curves leading to stronger development of industry.See More
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But people with donation based colleges do end up with similar jobs as non-donation based colleges, else no one would be crazy to invest in higher costs involved in getting educated at these places, unless returns of equal or larger magnitu...de were there in the future.
I am not really sure that the word to describe the agitations of the gujjars should be plainly suggested as being freebies, because what they are fighting for is for the oppurtunity towards higher education and participation in a modern society. These are struggles for scarce resource of government funded higher education and since by definition the government is representative of the desires of the people, they are agitating when their desires are not been fulfilled even when they exersised the demand through the ballot.
Also, labels such as vote bank politics are merely biased caricatures put up by the uppercaste dominated indian english media. I mean, from a unbiased viewpoint, what that should translate in to, is the will of the people finding it ways in to policy through the ballot.
Now there are obviously two different ways of looking at controversial issues. My way would be to see this as a miracle of democracy, where communities that have been sidelined for centuries, actually are getting a share in the fruits of development of the country.
The other line of thought would be to go the maoist way, where just a 10,000 strong guerilla army is classified as greatest security threat to the nation. I guess I am mixing issues here, but reservations in some sense even being faulty do present some kind of a lip service against revolutions by disadvantaged groups, who really dont have much to lose.See More
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Anyway, how about reservations in places which actually 'should' be having proportionate representation to function properly in all earnest. (Am copying this from another wall post)
Since you are against reservations I think this would go on... deaf ears. But english speaking media insi...de india is completely dominated by uppercastes. Don't u feel that there should be equitable caste proportion representation inside the media. Now, I dont think that the logic of merit really holds water there. Because the media is supposed to report on the people and all the segementations among them. Its suprising that they would report on me, on how i think, what my needs are, without asking me in person :)
I think you will agree that indian media anyway is a laughing stock as far as intelligent unbiased reporting goes, or for that matter actual knowledge of what goes on in the country goes. I mean, shouldn't media be as good as a spy network and which spy network does not employ people who are a part and parcel of the country they are operating in. If the media hardly has any representation among the 85 percent of the country, it just shows that it does not care about the viewpoint of this section.
I do feel that in these regards political parties like BSP are more in tune with the pulse of the people. I mean looking at the fact that the party has just a loyal following of 20 percent in UP, it created such caste equations taht it shot to power. Whether you like the party or not, you cannot disagree about its knowledge of the people it operates within.See More
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British government created reservation because they wanted to create clerks for running their empire .. .because they wanted to create a tool to suck our resources and keep us divided ... British education did not give us independnce .... I...t was Gandhiji's effort to raise the pride of the people in our resources, our sprituality, our food, our clothes, our self-esteem that gave us independence ... It was Satsangs that gave us independence ... If you think educated congressmen gave us independence it is another lie that media and politicians have created in your mind ... Freedom is when a dalit believes that he is not a victim at all ...
Education is the solution .... Create schools ... create good primary, secondary, higher secondary education ... have all round growth of kids ... create self esteem ... teach them about our saints and amazing religions ... Pay teachers well ... give them resources ...
Our generation is really getting out of cast mind-set... We are not so much worried about cast as our parents are ... We are really getting out of it ... But politicians do not want that ...See More
I appreciate your spirit in solving issues related to the country. But as you can see from the debate we are having here, we just have 2 completely different viewpoints on the issue.
Would just like to point out a few things. The british lef...t because of substantial losses during WWII making it very costly to hold up rule over their colonies. That is why not just india, but the british let go of all their colonies soon after the second world war.
In case you are interested with regards to Gandhi, there is again an 'Us versus Them' issue here. In case you are interested, here a book written during those times.
http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/41A.What%20Congress%20and%20Gandhi%20Preface.htm
The argument around british giving reservations was made to point out that the claims made by uppercastes against reservations resonate with the claims made by the british against transferring power to the indians, because of their laxity in performances in standardized tests during pre-independence years. And the claim that I am making today is the same claim that uppercastes made in those days that the deal was not about lack of merit, but lack of oppurtunity and hence reservations.
Also, I dont really support an argument that states that what the british did during those days is not being done in india today. The aim towards privatization is pandered around in the line of free market principles, whereas globalized markets are nowhere free. You just have to look at india where in just a span of 15-20 years 30 percent of the GDP has been transferred to an odd 50 corporations. All you have is the east india company substitued by these corporations. If you claim that the move towards privatization was really in spirit of efficiency. I would give you the example of development done by the British/East india company, with the railway systems, parks, church gate in mumbai etc. But finally the development catered more to the british than to the uppercastes (I am not saying indians because if the indian independence movement is critically analyzed, the lowercastes hardly had any say in the movement, even though democratic setup that eventually came up because of the movement did work in the interest of the lowercastes).
The clerks that you mentioned during the british times are the MBAs etc who are catering to the interest of these corporations.
Liberalization has sucked every country dry in the long run. You just have to look at the case of latin america, where all you have are a few 'clerical' classes prospering, whereas majority of the populations are relegated to meagre existence.See More
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Please have a look at this book
http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
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I totally agree with you on capitalism. My vision is not of that. And I am saying we do not need to follow this money rut. This crazy hunger for money ... It is making our govt more corrupt ...There are more important things which we need t...o uphold in our society ... We have a culture ... very ancient ...I mean look at west ... all the money and 70% population suffering from depression ... our villages have dusty roads but there is more love here than anywhere in the world ... If we combine technology with our traditions and uproot the evils in the society thats all we need ... Screw rich man's money ... We need things that keep us together, which make us feel more love for our fellow country men and women ... My only reservation on reservation is that it divides ... It creates the rift ... As you pointed out very nicely with facts that there will be a lot of benefits ... But towards what? Ultimately rift will create more rift ... there will be more unseen divides that we will hit upon ... We need more Gandhi stuff ... pride in what is truly ours ... This time we need to use technology and our rich traditions ... there cannot be progress till we progress together ... otherwise it is greed! We dont need to follow greed!See More
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I dont really get the argument. On one side your saying, let us forget about money, but then you are critisising reservations, when all it aims at curing is monetary differences between different castes in india. If we are to forget about... money, then why not just forget whether reservations exist or not. The rift happens because one section wants to keep all the monetary oppurtunities/resources to themselves and other section wants to redistribute it using the power of vote. Presenting one side's opinion on the issue as plain greed really points to an inherent bias in the argument.See More
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BTW, ur points that reservations being freebies and not an instrument for social change do make seem to have the flavour of validity, in the sense that all these sc/st iit alumni, who are in my friendlist, do find time to comment on all the... inane clips I/each other do post, but somehow shy away from even giving a bit of lip service to policies that actually got them to where they are in society today.
That's one of the prime reason that the other side of the debate has not become mainstream in the mindset of indians irrespective of caste today. How a section of humanity can even rejoice in such shallow existence is beyond me.See More
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- Vaibhav, people with donation based degrees do not have the same jobs as those from IITs. People go for them because having a donation based degree is better than not having a degree at all.
An SC/ST guy who converts to Christianity loses h...is reservations. Similarly, poor Christians do not have reservations. This is enough proof that the claim that reservations are for economic empowerment is only a facade put on by the politicians. - I prepare students for the IIT entrance exam. I'd like to share what two students told me:-
Brahmin student, very brilliant: I've been made an outcast in my own country. To hell with India. I'm going abroad ASAP.
SC girl, also very good: Sir,... I feel ashamed to avail of reservations. My parents are not poor, and I hate to see India being divided on the basis of caste. At the same time, availing of reservations is tempting because it significantly improves my changes of clearing the JEE .Of course, reservations hurt. Just talk to thousands of deserving students who have been deprived of quality education. It is the artificial shortage of opportunities created by a crony-capitalist govt that restricts development. In a free market, non-red tape environment, all hard workers will be able to progress without reservations.
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Concerning ur comments on donation colleges and IIT degrees, I will give you a different viewpoint. When we were students in IITB, the topmost software jobs were from amazon, microsoft etc, with postings in america. These jobs generally went to computer science students, who had really good GPAs.When I went to university of arizona. Only two or three iitians made the grad student pool from india. Rest of the students numbering about 150 or more, were from colleges you may never even have heard about. The computer science grad students batch at university of arizona was dominated by indians. And in just 2 years of which they got a masters degree, these guys got jobs in amazon, micrsoft etc. The reason being that american companies want students with american degrees.
The only thing the IIT label do was give you full scholarship to pursue grad school. The rest of the students from indian colleges that you may never even have heard about, had to pay tution fees and living expenses.
So finally money did win. The IIT degree in some sense was trivial, helping you if you could not afford an education in the US. Moral of the story money rules!!!
With your comment about sc/st's converting to christianity not getting benefits of reservation. The reason behind that is the same reason, that the babri masjid was demolished. The issues are made by the uppercastes under the banner of parties such as BJP to tell the lowercastes that the chrisitians and muslims are the enemy and are trying to steal away reservations. Hence there is a plank for these elements to get re-elected. But as soon as they get re-elected, they would intensify privatization, making the lowercastes lose whatever reserved job possibilities that they may have got. The problem is lowercastes fall for these shinnanigans, rather than it being some kind of an inherent inconsistency in the approach as you have pointed out.
Talking about reservations not leading to economic equality. Well, in that regards, I would say the whole independence movement was a farce, as even before independence majority of the country was poor and even after independence the majority of the country is poor. So what was the whole point of it all. Before independence british controlled all the economic reins of the country. Today it is the uppercastes. So why celebrate the independence movement, to glorify transfer of power to uppercastes. And if the uppercastes are the new british, why not call for independence from them, and so on....
Issues, such as reservations or even independence are more about individual communities having a share in the workings of the country, which is a precursor for development of these units. Else a community dominating over the resources really points to slavery as I have talked before.
Also, your comment on these kids who are preparing for this IIT entrance exam, all I have to say that is that plain computational intelligence, does not necessarily translate in to the definition of thinking which constitutes elements such as insight, intution, wisdom etc. If that was the case, all these top college MBAs wouldn't be having heart problems etc because of stresses of some silly deskjobs, whereas uneducated likes of chotta rajan, arun gawli, dawood ibrahim, whose jobs should be the most stressed out, live worry free, even though the former only may have to lose his job and possibly find another, whereas the latter risks losing his life. Also both of these jobs really are about descision making and the latter is more difficult.
Coming to the case of the sc/st girl student of ours. She claims that she feels ashamed of taking reservations. But say tommorow she does not take reservations, does not get in to IITs, but then pays for studying in the US and gets the same job as an IITian would ultimately end up getting, she would not be feeling ashamed. Even though what she ended up doing was taking reservations, only that they are money based.
Also, frankly the biggest jobs that most iitians would eventually dream of getting would be ..let me guess.... possibly end up becoming a hedge fund manager....investment banking...let me guess, which is about guessing, lying, cheating to make your mullah. If she would talk about feeling ashamed of personal profits, let alone profits of her organization, she might as well kiss that dream job goodbye as of now. The whole issue is that she has been brainwashed that reservations are wrong, by the same people who will actually make use of loopholes in pure competition some point in their life.
Talking of your brahmin student, as I have said if you have the money, you dont really lose. But let me ask you another question. You are telling me about talent and deserving stuff. If I ask you a question, how many sc/st/obcs (85 % of the country) students make up your coaching centres. It is but obvious that there might just be sprinkling of such candidates. But then you will claim that you guys have some kind of entrance exams even for your coaching centres. But then I ask you questions as to what schools, what about the family background, where is the caste based divergence really coming from. The questions are not genetic, they just can't be. I have been a student of IITs, and except for a few exceptionally gifted candidates, with appreciable faster speed of computation compared to the rest, who make it to these institutes, majority of the students are just of average intellect, who just have had better oppurtunities, be it access to better coaching centres or to summarise, were in the right place at the right time. Just because it appears that merit is getting plainly compromised because of reservations does not really mean that is the end of the story.
Also as far as talents really go. I am going to be anonymous. But from the sc/st batch that in to IIT Bombay in 97, I dont think the students numbered more than 30. Almost all of them are in the same positions as any average IITian. But I know of 5 personal examples, that for strangely unexpected reasons are at places, that any iitian would sell their diplomas to get to. One of this guys is now the owner of a IT company with 300 white collared employees. Another guy is working in partnership with this dude on other projects. Another guy is the vice-president of marketing in his company. This other guy I spoke to who is in the US today, told me that he used to report to the head of the indian branch of the multinational company, he used to work for, and if he recommended someone, they would hire the guy without interview for a job with a yearly salary of 3-4 lakhs. This other guy is on the board of 3 banks.
PS: I am not saying that the brahmin kid is wrong. All I am saying is that there are 2 equally consistent viewpoints that are opposite to each other and you just choose sides.
Also talking about the free market. The word is just thrown up as some kind of a whole grail, when the matter of fact is that none of the capitalist markets operating around the world are actually free. Sure there may be anti-monopoly laws here and there, but in essence the markets are not free.
Free markets are generally preferred to planned economies, because of the idea that it is difficult to exactly predict the demand and supply sides of an economy, which would maximise the output, leading to affluence of everyone involved. Markets left to themselves outperform. The idealized situation, which free market ultimately aim for is where every person has 'ample and workable' oppurtunities to use and improve over conventional means of production, but at the same time, does not use his position to hamper the production abilities of someone else entreprising. now please don't simply apply this to reservation hampering an uppercaste guy from getting his talents out. Because these happen to be individualistic anomalies. What counts as far as the free market argument goes is that atleast the various communities that make up the society are equally equiped, with oppurtunities for progressing and no community has more of the oppurtunities compared to the other. Else, you have a divergence from the ultimate aims of a free market, where excess of opprutunities feeds on to itself, leading to monopolising of resources of production. In india we are seeing this at the caste level. But also from a class level things are not different. With 30 percent of GDP completely in the hands of some odd 50 corporations, you really are not even in a position to begin talking about a free market model. This is also reflected in statistic, with the gap of development between the rich and the poor increasing by the day, something that is anti-thesis to what a free market claims to change.
A side note on the brahmin student. He is a kid now, so I shouldnt make a comment against him. But this is what is generally going to happen. Say he loses because of reservation, but being brilliant he makes money anyway. Tommorow when times comes for marriage, he would against go for same caste based marriage, produce another pure brahmin kid and then complain even more against caste based reservation. Reservations also act as a side incentive to change the root cause that perpetuate them, caste based segmentations in the society. But then, uppercastes want to perpetuate caste, but then talk against reservations.
The only difference with the times of old, is that today's eklavyas don't cut of their thumbs plainly because a dronacharya told them to.
Also even though it sounds so, I am not being satirical towards the sc/st girl student of yours. But there is one plain truth of life. This the truth that people who have actually seen life will tell her. If this was plainly my observation, then I wouldn't publish it here. But these wordings from a old bollywood song summarize it really well
Yahan chor hai saab, koi sadh nahi
Sukh jaan le tu, sukh apradh nahi.
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